Yes because of reddit/quora thing, it’s out of our scope, that’s because of google, they promote reddit at the top all the time, that’s why that big impressions / low click illusion
they don’t mean it as a personal attack. it is just highly unusual that job-related threads are open at all in this forum. usually they are closed by default and everyone just has to send a private message. that’s why everyone feels a little awkward about this exception
If you’re really that confident in your product idea, you could take out a business loan to cover the development costs. You’d need to put together a solid business plan of course, but I’m sure you’ve done that already so finding a trustworthy lender shouldn’t be too hard.
The biggest probelm with your proposal is that there’s simply far too much risk for the person you’d potentially partner with. If I offered you a button with a 50/50 chance to instantly win a billion dollars, or lose a limb, you wouldn’t take the risk no matter how good the reward.
If you’re serious about pursuing this project I would advise you look at splitting it up into discrete milestones. The first milestone in any sort of engineering project would be to build a prototype. If your idea is largely DSP focused, then you could take out a relatively small business loan and use it to hire a contractor to implement the DSP in a test plugin, or maybe even something like MaxMSP. Then you would put together a reliable, representative beta group and gather feedback to help decide how to proceed.
Building an entire product from scratch and going straight to market is quite possibly the worst approach you could take… speaking from experience.
Also known as stonks
there is no single “product idea”, the idea is just “make as many plugins as cheaply and quickly as possible”
Ahh, the temu approach.
if things get serious and there is a guy interested for sure there would be ideas, and not just one
“after you agree to do free labor for me, then I’ll tell you my actual product idea”
What’s to stop me listening to your ideas and just rebranding them as my own? Since no money has changed hands there’d be no obligation to actually give you the finished product…
But if I just sell the plugins on my own site… I’m getting 100% of the revenue and you’re getting 0%… If you’re not paying me, why should I just hand over 50% of my revenue to you?
Selling is the easy part. All you need to do to sell plugins is get influencers to promote them, which only requires sending a few emails.
Because there are people that don’t have websites and don’t have experience with it and focus on developing only, I don’t think about selling plugins + developing them in one person would be a good idea… isn’t better to focus on one thing and be good at it?
Marketing is whole new level of things, coding is one thing, selling it is another, it’s like cooking and then go to play football… selling is business kinda thing, coding is technician’s work. Though marketing could be easier when there are 1 paid/1 free plugin - in that case, site would kinda promote itself since producer loves free stuff
To maintain the site you also need hosting, domain, make sure it’s secure, and also paying for those things as well
You just described a vast majority of the users on this forum - this is quite literally what we all do. I make and sell my own products on my own website and collect 100% of the profits.
My point is simply that, if you’re serious about working with others, you need to have contracts with them. Those contracts benefit both of you. If I agreed to work with you, I’d expect to sign a contract that says I agree to hand over any and all work I do to you. If we have no contract, I can just take your ideas and build my own products with them, I really don’t need a marketing guy to be successful.
The issue many of us have tried to point out, is that no one is going to sign that contract unless you sweeten the deal a bit. 50% of the £10k/year revenue you showed above isn’t all that sweet.
Heh, I think selling is the hardest part, especially since most developers have zero practice doing this (as opposed to studying how to write code for years). Or maybe I need to hire you to sell my plug-ins.
Well it was 18K and we still talk about 15% comissions as an affiliate, so it’s not full earnings (that’s what we would get once it get promoted)
Even harder if you don’t actually have anything to sell though… which appears to be OP’s issue
Sorry but… the amount you earned since 2021 is just a bad quarter for me… and I’m one of the smallest fish in our industry
again, all you gotta do is post a review of my plugin(s) and I’ll report back to this group how many sales it brought in after a couple weeks. That’s 30 minutes of your time investment to prove your side of the value equation.
Do a top JUCE plugins of the week or something. Collect them from developers in this thread. Tiny bit of effort on your side, easy advertisement to promote your business proposal.
Unless you think the results of that experiment will leave you in an even weaker negotiating position than your already are from this thread…
some proofs?
Also are those bad earnings to you? I feel pretty good about those
Q3 2023 - 27,885.42
Q4 2023 - 23,644.5318
Q1 2024 - 21,884.76